How I found out my life was blowing up on reddit--three of you requested this one!

It's been about 3 months since I writing out my thoughts and feelings and I always wonder how much information I need to add before the blogs get boring. I counter that with always wanting to be authentic and have these blogs be a sort of record of my life. But sometimes even writing out a couple sentences like I just did helps get me going. 

Since you all are so perceptive, I tend to go with "too much" information as opposed to little. You'll notice this will get posted in the middle of the day on Monday, meaning I'm not at work. There's a much longer version coming soon because I'm going to have a meeting with my boss (and very dear friend) later in the week. The topic will be what to do with me for the next 9 weeks of the school year. Add to that, we got home very late last night, the kids fought us like grizzly bears when it came to getting them ready for school and my sub is more than happy to work an extra day. I have more sick days than I can use so I'm going to stay at home today. 

From the emails I've gotten, it seems the whole reddit affair seems to still draw the most interest. Which is totally understandable, its where two very normal people very suddenly had their personal lives thrust into a potentially very toxic subsection of the internet. I look back on it myself and still can't quite believe it happened.  When I offered up the idea of having you guys ask me questions or give me topics to blog about, very quickly three of you responded with roughly the same thing: "how do you find out that your husband had posted your story to reddit?" I looked back through my (suspended) reddit account and I can't find any mention of it so I completely understand the curiosity here.

The very short answer is my sister in law told me. 

Since I'm terrible at word economy, the long answer is a little more complicated. I love my sister in law, Addie, more than you can know. She is also so central to the entire chain of events because she is the one who tracked down all the information about the guy which really played into my husbands ideas that I had done things that were bad enough that he wanted to divorce me.  In some of the commentary, people have suggested that Addie should have minded her own business and not gotten involved and I generally agree, I know that her brothers request to dig up information really put her in a tough spot but she was looking out his best interests. Even when I look back on it, the message that had synced to my ipad (that he saw) is pretty damning. Though I consider her one of my best friends, I can see why she felt the need to get involved. 

I'm trying to piece this all together in my mind but I believe this was about 3 days after I had gotten back from the trip. We'd had our massive fight at the kitchen table in front of the kids (something we try to never do), I'd slept on the couch and in the sewing room, Addie had taken the kids to her boyfriends ranch but I still had no idea where he was getting the idea that I cheated. Of course I knew what had happened to me but I could not figure out how he knew anything thing because I hadn't told him and he was giving me the massive silent treatment. 

Sometime that week Addie called me and said she was feeling enormously guilty and needed to talk to me.  That conversation is where I finally started to get some clarity on the situation from someone else's perspective besides mine. When I explained to her what actually happened she was horrified and then told me what she thought she and my husband had figured out based on the guy's responses to her (again pretending to be me). She then asked if I'd ever heard of reddit and I said of course I'd heard of it but didn't know how it actually worked. So she sent me a link to Bubs posts and I finally had some insight into what he was thinking. 

She and I read the posts over the phone to each other and I pointed out all the places where he was either changing details to hide our identity or make himself more sympathetic to his audience. For example in his original posts he said that I had never tried to call him that week, when the reality was I had tried to call him every day until he flat out told me I was bothering him. I was also not nearly as duplicitous as his reddit posts made me sound and the reason he didn't know anything about me going parasailing or ATV trips was because he hadn't talked to me.  I was very angry with him for posting so much about our personal lives, I was very angry that he had not been truthful and made me sound so much worse than I was but at the same time I was so relieved because I finally knew something. 

I created my account because I figured if reddit was helping him, it could help me too. I initially posted on the infidelity subreddit and pretty much told my side of the events hoping to get some sympathy and even advice. (we removed all our initial posts but the comments are still available here to see how people reacted and me trying to defend myself in the comments).  Pretty quickly, people started to make the connection between my OP on r/infidelity and Bub's initial post on r/AITAH. For most people that just added chum to the water. However, there were some very observant people who started to see how my explanations made sense and where his blind spots were which is how we got to actually talking again. 

I think the next question is naturally, do I think the reddit exposure was good or bad. Honestly, I hadn't looked through those comments in months and to be honest most of them are pretty rough and hard to read. However, I think it also comes across how desperate I was for something to change in our marriage and I think reddit may have been that catalyst. So yeah the exposure sucks and it hurts that most people who read our stories will always think that my entire personality is "cheating wife" but in our day to day lives, we are in a great spot. I like to think eventually we would have gotten here without reddit but who knows when that would have happened. 

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  1. I have some recollection that there were two posts on the same day - the one you linked to in r/Infidetilty - "The story of my affair has gone somewhat viral ..." and another "I am the "wayward wife" who's infidelity story has gone semi-viral ..."

    The latter one stayed around, I think either until the ban, or maybe until you both deleted the substance of your posts, but the first I never saw the content of and it was marked as "Sorry, this post has been removed by the moderators of r/Infidelity". Do you remember why they removed it? And was the content the same as the second post?

    The one thing that bothered me with your first post ("The story of my affair has gone somewhat viral ...") (without having been able to read the content) was that the word "affair" was not in quotes. That looked like a confession. Reading through the second post I understand that at the time you did feel that what had happened to you in Mexico was "cheating" and it took time for both of you to process and recognise what it really was. Maybe that was why you referred to it as an "affair" (without the quotes). I know you also recognised that the first couple of days you had been over-familiar with the alleged "AP" (sorry for the shorthand) and you were trying at that point to effect a genuine apology (acknowledge, explain, remorse etc) and so maybe again that was why you referred to it as an "affair".

    I actually cannot conceive how hard it must have been for you those first few days with the combination of:
    - coming to terms with what we now know to have been a SA
    - trying to resolve the position with a husband who wasn't talking to you
    - trying to resolve the other difficulties in your marriage leading up to the Mexico trip
    - working out your own mental health issues
    Kudos to you for getting where you are now. Actually kudos to you both.
    I think it is combination of the story of personal growth of both of you and the eloquence of your writing that has captured the attention of so many people so that we all wanted (still do) to find out how your life went (goes) goes from then.

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    1. So yeah there are a lot of little things in those first few days that don't make a lot of sense, even to me looking back. With the benefit of hindsight, most of it came wit a general sense of not knowing hot reddit worked. I had actually posted on another sub and got berated by an admin not "admitting to the affair." I bet I spent hours work on that post only to have it immediately removed because I wasn't following some obscure rule particular to that subreddit. So a lot of the things I said in those first few days were just sort of figuring out the particulars of each subreddit. And being very, very tired. I had not slept at for maybe 4 or 5 days...maybe more.

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    2. There is a guy I follow on Reddit "Discardbobulated". His wife had an affair and has really put him through the wringer in R. They had marriage problems and dead bedroom I think he said for 8 years before the affair. They have to repair the long-term issues in their marriage as well as the cheating. I think the odds are slim. The large majority of infidelity stories I read on Reddit have no chance at R in my opinion. Dani, I told you at the very beginning that I think you and Bubs are an exception to this. So far so good

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    3. I recognised his name and realised I also followed that story. Ended badly the other day.

      The big mystery for me conserning this whole sphere of relationship reddit is why I am so invested in reconsiliation stories. To me that is in some way the ultimate spiritual victory. To forgive a loved one who injured you severely. That takes enormous strength of character. At the same time forgivning infidelity can also be a testimony of the total lack of character or any sort of spiritual strength. Love truly is a facinating field to study. Dani and Bubs story was unusual in that it really was primarily based on missunderstandings and poor comunication.

      I now follow some guy called OutrageoughsSpread8706 whos wife definately cheated on him. I've gone from rooting for him while exposing her to criticising him for half killing her in his quest for revenge (at least spiritually). I genuinly fear for the womans life. And he hardly seems to care, and I can understand that he is filled to the brim with anger. But the crowd on his updates really just shout for more blood.

      I understand why some subreddits have strict rules. At the same time they foster weird cultures. Just look at Womendatingoverforty. The subreddit where Discardbobulated writes ban people who are critical of R and I understand why. But on the other hand most cases on that subreddit really should just go to divorce as quickly as possible, some of those spouses are absolutely horrible, and forgiving infidelity truly is hard.

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  2. Ah, yes, the adventure that turned the eyes of the internet upon your life for a brief period. It is worth keeping in mind that the circumstances that brought all that attention could've played out in a number of other ways, with varying degrees of disaster, and all without any Reddit involvement.

    In the end you endured a trial by fire, and you seem to have come out stronger on the other end with a commitment to address some issues that had been simmering for some time. Who knows? It's weird, but without the involvement of Reddit, you guys might not be expecting your third child right now!

    On second thought, that was a little too weird.

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    1. Well to be totally fair, I got a pretty amazing date night because Bubs had his shortcomings presented to him on a silver platter, so you aren't totally off the mark!

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    2. Hey Andrew, I just wanted to give you a quick update. It has been 4 weeks since my 3rd gel injection. I have not gotten any pain relief. I was told it could take 6 - 8 weeks. I want to get the ball rolling if surgery becomes necessary. I have an appointment with a surgeon tomorrow. We'll see how it goes.

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    3. Good luck. My wife was told she couldn't have surgery until six months after a steroid injection. Hopefully yours will still work

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    4. Here I have been told 90 days which I am past. My PCP said that doesnt apply to the gel injections.

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  3. Dani, I don't think anyone here (or, for that matter, anyone anywhere who continued to follow your story with anything approaching an open mind) considers you to be "wayward" in any sense of the word. You're a young, tenderhearted, somewhat naive woman whose marriage was foundering (yes, it was) and whose state of mind, when you flew to Mexico, led to some bad choices, but it certainly wasn't cheating. I think we're all just glad that Jabba the Hutt was out of shape and less vicious than he might have been, and that as bad as your experience was, it wasn't a whole lot worse. Lessons learned all around.

    One thing, and then (for once) I'll keep my thoughts to myself unless said thoughts are specifically requested, and if so I'll share them privately (you both have my contact info). The silent treatment is a relationship killer, even when rarely employed, and causes wounds that don't always heal. In this case it added an additional layer of trauma to the trauma of Mexico, and it might have ended a marriage that we all hope will go the distance. Your marriage could have been damaged beyond repair, and all because you weren't communicating. Kiddo, this is on you, not on Dani. Sometimes even the most devoted partners need a bit of space from each other (not a week's worth of space! A few hours or a day) and in that case it's incumbent upon the person who needs that space to say so but also set a realistic time limit, and then it's time to communicate. Communication is what keeps most marital issues from getting out of hand, communication is what prevents misunderstandings that snowball into crises, and communication, more than looks or shared history or almost anything else, is what keeps love alive for the long haul. I hope you both remain in therapy for a while - individual as well as couples - and I hope you both continue to improve your communication skills with each other so you don't misunderstand your way into another bad place. You're a wonderful young couple who should have decades of happiness ahead of you, and I think we all want your future happiness to be with each other.

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    1. Everything you say is spot on as always! For as awful as those few days were (and how bad I humiliated myself for literally begging him on hands and knees to talk to me), he deserves a lot of credit for acknowledging his faults and blind spots and being willing to change them for the sake of our family. I am so very lucky that I have a man who is a "man" and willing to not let his pride get in the way of the truth.

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    2. Love the Jabba the Hut comparison. Was it too nasty Danni?

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  4. Admittedly, I was one who initially read Bub's post and was angered by it. I remember saving the post, but didn't give it much thought until later. By that time, your responses had been deleted and I had to dig through hundreds or comments to figure out what was happening. So, I again humbly ask forgiveness for rushing to judgement.

    I've always said that the truth is somewhere in the middle. To often our bias dictate the narrative of the story so it was helpful to see both your stories for me to make a better determination. I was still upset with your choices in Mexico but it was clear that you were the victim of a SA. I still question your decision to stay in the room the whole night. I would have ran and reported the incident immediately but then again, I have to take your mental frailty at that point. You froze. Your ADHD brain then went on high thinking about every scenario under the sun. I also questioned why you didn't just tell Bubs what happened immediately, but given your pre-vacation argument coupled with Bub's failure to communicate properly throughout the week and after you returned was monumental.

    Both of you made huge mistakes! No determination as to who made more but I'm my view, ownership of a married couples failings or mistakes rests with both individuals. That's why communication is so critical.

    I applaud both of your efforts to reconcile and strengthen the marriage. You still need work, but you both have grounded yourselves in your first love to make this work. Keep going and make all of us proud and hopeful that your marriage can serve as a testimony of perseverance and love.

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  5. Hi Dani. When I first read your account of what happened I had a question that I still haven't quite figured out. That is the timeline of events on that Wednesday. Did you ATV all day? My big question is not how did you end up in his room, you have explained that. My question is how did you end up in his room in your bathing suit? I think you described it somewhere as a pretty skimpy bikini with a "Mom" coverup.
    Secondly a point I have made in the past about Bipolar/ADHD and alcohol that I have not seen you address. Have your doctors suggested that you reduce drinking? It seems like it might be a good idea because this issue in Mexico and many of the bad decisions you made along the way can be traced back (by your own admission) to overdrinking. Your diagnosis and alcohol don't generally mix well.

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  6. I'm prett much like you when it comes to reddit Danni. I found it out almost a month before you and I still look at it even though I should not. In many ways it's such a cespool of bitterness and hate, but most of all an unforgiving place of quick jugements. I know there are nice moments as well and I know there are other areas but the ones I have seen makes me despare for mankinds future. I understand that the OP's are full of raw emotions but the bloodthirst of all those hangarounds is repugnant. Visiting some of those subreddits feels like being marinated in depressing misogyni and pure man-hating. You can almost tuch the depressive state of their lives.

    I will admit that at the same time as you both got suspended I did wonder what the hell your husband was playing at because I was telling some of the trolls on his accound that he wasn't sure who the father of the third child was but I suspected and with some help from Pestalilla I was also convinced that it was just him toying with the trolls which I can to some extent understand, but it also felt a bit cold considering what those trolls were saying. Whatever, I respect that the ordeal was tough for the both of you.

    Whatever happends, getting to superfically know you guys has really been something I value these last months. Reading about other people's intimate live's and their thoughts and feelings sometimes makes you reexamine your own.

    I hope the weather calms down across the pond.

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    1. I think Pestalilla was then talking to me about the "father of the third child" point and I gave him my view which he must then have passed on to you. :-)

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