Our new babysitter and our latest argument-would love to get your thoughts!
So to get it out of the way, one of the things I miss most about posting on reddit was that it was so much more interactive. I loved reading comments (well the positive ones anyways) and I loved chatting with everyone, even if the messages were short. This blog site makes that so much more difficult because I don't get any notification that people are commenting and when I do see them I can't reply from the comments page. I'm still enjoying posting here but I wish it were as quick and easy to interact as it was on reddit. Yesterday and today are events where I would love to get some thoughts and I'm hoping since I'm asking for your inputs, I can use this as a test run to see how to set up a pattern to check and respond to comments.
One of the things we are going to try to do in the next few months is get our kids used to having babysitters that aren't family members. Bubs and I have made a commitment that even after we move, we are going to continue to do more "us" time and in Arizona I can't just tell the kids to go to Aunt Jenn's or check to see if grandma is home. Yesterday I had an Ob/Gyn appointment and Bubs was able to get an appointment with a Sports Medicine specialist. Both appointments were in one of the bigger cities close to us but separated by a couple hours so we figured we'd take the afternoon off and get Whataburger on the road for lunch, do some shopping between the appointments and then have a nice dinner before heading home.
I got a recommendation for a babysitter from a friend at church. The girl's name is Evie and since I'm a mom leaving her kids with a non-relative for the first time, I really wanted some reassurances that she was competent and wouldn't just sit on her phone all evening while the kids ran wild. I texted her and she replied with links to all of her social media, a google doc with all of her experience and references and a short resume. She's an elementary education major at the smaller university close to us, her reference page had several families I know and trust and she had a little blurb saying that her phone is only for emergencies when she is watching kids. I immediately liked and trusted her. I looked at her Instagram for way longer than I should have because not only is she stunningly pretty, but the pics from her summer vacation (Ibiza, Italy and Greece) made me want to leave my husband and kids in the middle of the night and travel the world as the free spirit that I've never been. After some texting back and forth, she said she would love to watch the kids on Friday.
Our plan was get the kids out of school just before lunch, have Evie meet us at our house and she would stay with them for the afternoon and we'd be back by 7 or so. But as the time went on, we decided that maybe we should just stay in a hotel overnight and really get some time together. I checked around and my sisters, my parents, Bub's parents and his sister all had plans but I figured I'd take a long shot and see if Evie would be willing to stay overnight. She said she would love to but wanted to make sure that she and the kids clicked before saying absolutely yes. I loved her honesty and I loved that fact that she was thinking about the kids first so we agreed to a tentative yes, that she would stay over and if it worked we would be back by 10 or 11 on Saturday morning.
Bubs had to work out at the warehouse yesterday to work with his new engineer so I left my classroom in the hands of my favorite sub and went to pick up the kids. We got to the house and Evie was already waiting for us outside. She was early, I was like ok this girl is amazing. When she got out of her car to meet us, I couldn't help but notice her Instagram pictures didn't do her justice and she's not pretty, she's like a freaking supermodel. She was so friendly and she did everything I would do as a teacher to meet kids; get down on their level, make eye contact, talk to them in a friendly but not childlike voice and ask them questions about themselves. My daughter was pretty stand-offish as I would expect but my son, the little flirt, grabbed her by the hand and told her that he would take her inside and introduce her to "the nice dogs and the one mean dog and show her his room." She went along with it and I was able to unpack and bring things inside as he took care of the house tour. By the time I got everything settled he came running up to me and said "mom, mom, mom, Evie says we can swim all afternoon! Can she stay overnight so we can do Mario Cart?" I smiled at her and asked her if she thought she would be comfortable staying overnight, she said that in all the babysitting she'd done, she'd never hit it off with a kid like that. We did a little bit more formal tour and I told her where everything was and where she could sleep and pointed out my parents' and sisters' houses and kind of let her take over with the kids as I got some paperwork together for my appointment and packed to get on the road.
Our bedroom is on the second story overlooking the backyard and we have a sliding glass door out to a little patio. I could hear splashing in the pool so I opened the door just to make sure everything was going ok. She was throwing them in the pool from the deck so even my daughter had warmed up to her. I want to be very cautious what I say here because I don't ever want to sound like a hypocrite. I think women are beautiful, I dated two girls in college because on a physical and emotional level I'm generally more attracted to women than I am men (save for one total nerd/jerk who managed to rip me away from the happy Sapphic life for which I was probably intended), I worked at Hooters, I wear bikinis with more butt cheek showing than most other moms and I've gladly gone topless at a nude beach in California. But as much as already loved Evie, holy crap, I did not love her choice of swimsuit, especially since my 6 year old son was wide eyed and staring at her mostly bare ass as he was waiting for his turn to be thrown in the pool. There wasn't much more fabric on the top either.
I heard Bubs come in the front door so I ran down the stairs and asked him to come to a back window so he could see what I was seeing. His comment was something like "well I think we just inadvertently established what is 'type' will be, he could do worse I guess." His comment annoyed me but I really didn't want to fight with him so I ignored that and asked if the thought her bikini was appropriate. He said that we've been at the lake and tubing on the river enough times in the past few years to know that college girls "with great bodies" wear thong bikinis, even when they are with families. In my head, I was like holy crap dude, strike two. But to be honest, I would have been a little worried had he not noticed--she was stunning. He could probably read my mind that I was a little annoyed because he tried to deflect and said that he loves seeing my butt in a cheeky swimsuit--which more than helping made me feel bad that I had judged her when people probably think that I show too much skin for a woman my age too. And yes, had the full on thong been in style when I was in college, I would have probably worn that style as well.
I finished packing and called down from the sliding glass door and told her that we were fixing to leave and we wanted to give them some final instructions. She said she would get the kids out and meet us in the kitchen. So to fast forward to the argument Bubs and I had--I think she was flirting with him. I'm a terrible flirt because I've never had to be good at it because I was basically engaged at 15.To give Evie and my husband the benefit of the doubt I may have been reading too much into the situation. This is where I would love to get some outside input, because I'm already a bi-polar overthinker, I'm 9 weeks pregnant, I was exhausted after a week of teaching and it was hard not to compare myself to the girl who's 11 years younger and 6 inches taller than me with zero cellulite. That girl was standing in my kitchen (thank god she'd wrapped a bath sheet around her chest but it was still clear she had stunning body underneath ). I'll give you what was said and what was going through my head as the conversation was happening.
Evie to my husband: Oh my god I've seen you before! You do the running group in (her college town), with your brother right? In my head: Wait what! Oh he's secretly been cheating on me with this gorgeous college girl. Listen close, you'll need this for the divorce trial.
Bubs: Oh yeah, right, we'll actually that's her brother (points at me) but it's been a while, obviously (while he chuckled and tapped the cast on his lower leg). Oh aren't you funny, uhhh lover boy, don't forget the lady you knocked up who's been waiting on you hand and foot for the last two weeks.
Evie: Oh, I'm so sorry! What happened? Lol, listen to this cutie--what happened is he's an idiot and maybe you'd be doing me a favor by taking him off my hands and then I can dance the night away in Ibiza.
Bubs: (nervous laughter) I actually fell out of a tree at my son's baseball practice last Monday. Oh so you do remember you have a family. Well I only hate you a little less than I did when you said she had a great body.
Evie: What? You fell out of a tree? Aren't you and your brother in law training for an ultra-marathon in New Mexico? Yes, he fell out of a tree. Wait--what in the absolute hell? How could know that much about him? I'm googling a divorce lawyer while they make googly eyes at each other.
Bubs: I honestly don't know if we've ever met, how did you know that? Right, say that because you have some major face saving to do.
Evie: Oh my god, I'm so sorry if that sounded weird. My friend has the biggest crush on your brother, oh sorry, your brother (points at me) and since she couldn't find any of his social media she asked around. Are you guys planning on coming back? I'll take this one Evie. No.
Bubs: Wow, small world. Well that's what my appointment is for today so not sure and he had a really bad breakup this summer but I'm happy to tell him and maybe he'll join the group again. What's your friends name? Hey asshole, he's my brother, I'm rooting for him to get back with his ex and you're not his goddamn pimp.
Evie: Well good luck, I hope it goes well! And I hope it goes well for you too! How far along are you? Oh yes, I'm still here. Sorry you're 11 years younger and 6 inches taller than me, I guess I'm sooooo easy to forget.
Me: Oh we're pretty sure it's exactly 9 weeks today. This is just to go over some medication ideas that another doctor had for me. Hey, don't let your guard down. This is how she steals your family.
Evie: Well you look stunning, when I met you outside you really did have that glow. Oh thank you! Wow that is so sweet, I don't feel good but hormones really hit early with this one and I'm hoping...great so she's charmed you too. Tighten up Dani, this is your competition.
Our son came in begging to go swimming with Evie again. Oh great you too, little Judas! So we double and triple checked to make sure that she was ok watching them overnight. We gave her some final instructions and made sure that she knew how to contact us and all the relatives and we got in the car and got on the road.
Since I have zero ability to keep my mouth shut, it took about two minutes for me to ask him about his comments that he made while we watching from the living room. I think in my mind I was trying to make it so I was lightly teasing him but it probably didn't come across that way. First I started off asking him what he meant by saying that we had inadvertently given our son his type. He tried to explain that it's just natural that when kids our sons age is that the first really pretty girl or woman he has fun with is probably going have a big impact on who he's attracted to in the future. The only word I heard in the whole sentence was "pretty." This is how the next 45 minutes of conversation went (just repeat this over and over and over again)
Me: So you did think she was pretty?
Bubs: That's not what I'm saying and you know it.
Me: No, that's exactly what you said. You just said she was pretty.
Bubs: Danielle, you know better than I do that she was a pretty woman. That's not saying I'm attracted to her or anything like that. Put it this way I met you when I was T's age and I'm married to you.
Me: Oh and you also said she had a "great body," lets not forget that. And you know that when you call me by my full name, I think you are being hostile.
Bubs: Dani, I don't want to fight with you over this.
Me: Ok, lets fight about how bad she was flirting with you. And guess what, I don't know any of our friends who wouldn't be upset if their husband said the baby sitter had a "great body." And that's not even the weirdest part-- how could she possibly know that much about you?
Bubs: You literally just witnessed the first time I ever spoke to her. If she hadn't said anything, I would have no idea who she was. She wasn't flirting with me.
Me: Right, I can only imagine how the conversation would have gone had I not been a witness. And what are you doing trying to set Brian up with someone, you realize he's still getting over Paula right?
Bubs: Dani, I don't think you feel very well. Let's pause this because we are supposed to have a nice afternoon right? We can't have a nice afternoon if we are at each other's throats.
Me: My husband just flirted with a gorgeous girl that he said was pretty and had a "great body" right in front of me and you have the nerve to blame it on how I'm feeling? I'm feeling like you don't respect me.
Bubs: How many different ways do you want me to explain this to you? You yourself just used "gorgeous" to describe her. That has nothing to do with me.
Me: So you did think she was pretty?
And repeat....
Neither of us realized that we had forgotten to get food on the way out of town so after the argument and not eating since breakfast, I was beyond starving. Thank god we had time to grab a quick bite before we went into the Ob/gyn. I ate all of my hamburger and Bubs could see that I was still starving but we didn't have a chance to go through the drive through again so he gave me half of his. It was actually very sweet and I told him that I'm sorry I'm crazy. He said that he doesn't think I'm crazy, I just have a lot going on right now.
The whole point of seeing the Ob/Gyn was to go over some potential medications the psychiatrist said she was willing to try during pregnancy. The bottom line is Ob/Gyn is not convinced by the research that say common anti-depressants don't have an impact on the baby and while its ultimately going to be my choice, she recommends against it. She said there are some studies that show really depressed pregnant women may have some benefits that outweigh the potential downsides because it makes them feel better towards pregnancy and upcoming life changes but she doesn't think I'm in that category. I really was trying to joke when I said:
Me (pointing at my husband): Well he's going to be disappointed, I think if he had his choice he'd put me on all the crazy pills.
Bubs: Dani, I don't know if you are joking right now and I literally just said I don't think you're crazy. Those were your words, not mine.
Me: Sorry Doctor, we've had a rough day.
Bubs: Yes we have.
I've known this doctor forever. The only kid in our family that she hasn't delivered was my daughter because we were out of state at the time but she delivered my son, all of my sisters' kids, several cousins, etc... so she knows us very well. She gave us both a pretty stern lecture that even at this early stage of development, parental stress is not good for the baby. She said she could see it in both of our faces that we were stressed and we needed to do something about it. She obviously knew I'm working with the psychiatrist and counselor but we told her that we've been in marriage counseling since July and despite present circumstances, we've actually made a lot of progress. She insisted we keeps seeing the counselor and we set got set up for our first ultrasound at 16 weeks.
We had a few hours to kill before Bubs appointment and we had originally planned on going shopping. I told him that I either wanted him to take me home and he could come back by himself or I needed a nap and I didn't want to walk around. He called our hotel and they said they were ready for us so we decided just to chill out in the room for a bit. We were pretty quiet on the drive and when we got in the room, the second I got my shoes off, I passed out really hard. It was one of those naps that it took me a good 3 or 4 minutes to realize where I was when I woke up. I looked over at Bubs and he was scrolling on his phone and he asked how I was feeling. The whole fight came rushing back but thank god I remembered one of the things our marriage counselor said that we need to do is find another outlet for our aggression when we are upset at each other. Paraphrasing, she said "as long as you are both willing, angry sex can be one of the best outlets a couple can engage in." I didn't respond to his question, rather I just rolled over on top of him and to save the gory details, got to work. It was probably the best sex we've had in a very long time.
We didn't have time to even shower before we had to go to his appointment which I have to admit, was kind of feral and sexy feeling. I twirled his hair as he drove and just smiled because I really do love the stupid idiot. The Sports Medicine doctor said that it looks like the small fractures were on their way to healing but he wants an MRI because certain spots are still very tender which may indicate ligament damage. But since Bubs is in such great shape, he wants him to do some light stretching and rotations as long as they aren't painful. Bubs did get his cast cut off and now has a walking boot and will just need a few days to transition off the crutches as long as the pain is dissipating.
He asked if I still wanted to go to dinner and I said I'd actually just rather go back to the hotel and have angry sex again and then get Door Dash. He said that's fine with him because he's still angry. I told him I was too and I would really like to know what he meant when he said our new baby sitter was pretty and had a great body. He said since were being honest about being angry he was going to be honest, she's pretty and she has a great body but that doesn't mean anything. I actually appreciated that he wasn't trying to deflect and asked him if he was being totally honest about never having met her before because it didn't seem like that from the way she talked to him. He said that he and Brian had run with that group maybe 3 times and it makes much more sense that Brian innocently smiled at the friend and she was smitten because that's just how he is with girls. I asked to define what he actually meant what he meant by "great body," was it her small boobs? was it her butt? Her flat stomach? Just give me some clarity. He told me it was the fact that she probably knows when to shut the fuck up and let things go. I asked him how he knew that if he never met before. His response was that I had two seconds to shut up or he was going smack my ass so hard as to leave a hand print--I told him I didn't think he had it in him but he's welcome to try. We were still upset but there was definitely a lighter tone than there had been before.
We got back to the room and we kissed and made out like we were in high school. Sadly, I was spent and I finally had to tell him that as much fun as I was having, I needed to eat and I was going to fall asleep. He said he was exhausted too. We got Chinese food and I easily downed two servings of orange chicken and joked that he didn't want to get his hand in the way of me eating because I looked like velociraptor eating a fresh kill and he'd get his hand bitten off. I joked back it's not the only thing that's going to be bitten off if he comments how cute the baby sitter is again. He prodded me for acting jealous and I prodded him for being a creepy old man. It was actually very fun and I think a good way for us to recover from the stress earlier in the day. I don't know, I guess were really weird.
I fell asleep at about 8 and slept like an absolute rock. The last thing I remember before drifting off was him telling me to not be surprised if I woke up with his parts in my parts and I told him to do what he has to do but try not to wake me up. Apparently he didn't make good on his promise and I was actually a little bummed.
We drove back this morning. Evie looked fresh as a friggin' daisy even after watching two brand new kids all night. My kids loved her and said that she was way more fun that Aunt Jenn or Aunt Jess. I could tell my husband was being very cautious as to what he said to her which made me chuckle. After she left I told him it's ok, she's gorgeous, I can't deny it. I told him that maybe she should move to Arizona with us since the kids loved her so much and they can have a nanny and he can have his eye candy. He told me straight up that "I'm tired of your shit Danielle, I love but you are fucking exhausting." I told him that I loved him too but maybe we should take a break today since yesterday was so intense for good and bad reasons. He agreed and as far as I know he went out to work and I hung out with my sisters so the kids could all play together.
So yeah another one for the books for Bubs and Danielle.
I just read this back over and while I'm trying to be truthful, I really come across like a bitch here--and I'm the one telling the story! Maybe I really am that way, maybe I am exhausting, unpredictable and overly emotional.
I guess that's why I spent so much time on this today because I really would like some thoughts and genuine outside opinions on why this started and how to avoid in the future. My sisters agreed that if their husbands would have made similar comments they would have been in day long fights too. They also said of all 3 of the husbands, Bubs is the one who worships his wife the most and he probably did just mean that Evie was "aesthetically pleasing" as opposed to him having any sort of genuine attraction to her. We stalked her Instagram for a really long time and they agreed that it would be hard for any man to not find her beautiful.
Was she flirting with him? Was it inappropriate for him to say what he said about the babysitter? How could I have approached the comments in a different way to let him know that they really bothered me but that I do love and trust him. It's going to be couple of weeks before we see our therapist again and I don't want to let this potential learning experience pass.
I don't know, maybe this is just us and we are destined to live our lives as bickering idiots. I can't wait to see what happens when we are in our 70s and he forgets to clip the coupon for the early bird buffet. Him liking Evie's cute butt in thong would have been child's play. Would love your thoughts!
First of all regarding reddit and here, I miss the immediacy and your responses as well, but even if they're not straight away I'd still love to see your comments. (I also miss the "edit" function as my typing is not as good as I think it is!¬)
ReplyDeleteWhen I comment I click the "Notify me" checkbox and the result is that whever anyone posts on this entry (including me when I click "Publish" shortly) I get an email to my gmail account and my gmail account automatically forwards to my "normal" email account. There's probably soemthing you can figure based on that so that you can see comments as they come in.
Now on the row ...
So if Evie is as gorgous as you say, then Bubs is always going to notice and I'd be more worried if he didn't comment. Add to that pregnancy hormones (maybe a cliche) and a little jealousy is normal. I get a little jealous when my wife (late 50s) comments on a good-looking movie star (probably 30 years younger).
Perhaps rememebr the saying "it is OK to look in shop windows as long as he eats at home".
I don't think she was flirting but even if she was I doubt there was any intent on either side. So maybe it was just a good excuse from some quality angry sex.
PS: Did you see my comment on "thoughts on our new city":
Delete"Before you started here some of us (SodaButteWolf, JuanValdez_Donkey and me) created a chat group - it wasn't intended as an exclusive group but this blog was found before we extended it further. We discussed creating a subreddit - either "private" or "restricted" - where you could continue your page with less interference. I understand that one cannot create a group with a new account or insufficient karma (I do not know what is insufficient) but one of your followers here will be able to do that for you and add you as a mod."
Yeah I cannot figure out how to efficiently reply to comments! The thing is they don't appear on my main page--there's a comments page that I have to dig into but I can't even reply from there. Then the page where I can reply is several clicks from my dashboard. So I've tried to respond to everyone but I know I've missed a lot and I missed your comment I'm so sorry!
DeleteI definitely want to try reddit again but in those first days after I was banned, I tried to create two accounts and they were instantly shadowbanned and then permanently suspended. I think we are both going to try again using our VPN and with very different usernames because I think Bubs and I both miss posting on reddit and using it as a way for us to talk. I don't know when we are going to do this because I don't want to press the issue but I really miss being able to interact on some of the other sub reddits I was on as well as the people who were following us.
Thank you for keeping up with me, it's so nice to see your username!
OK, this is weird. I've commented twice and this blog thing says it's published but when I refresh, it's not there.
ReplyDeleteWeird yes - you're not the first person this has happened to. I've had six emails with the texts of your posts (including the one above so five that haven't then appeared)
DeleteI tried posting your content - it was there for a second and then vanished
DeleteWeird. Must be a a non-printable character somewhere in the text.
Deleteso the first paragraph worked but your "that published" post didn't
DeleteMaybe this
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•Dani!!!! Missed you little lady! Although I know you're life is busy at the moment, I thought you had ditched us. I will agree that the blog format is a bit lacking. Miss you on Reddit. One thought though, Have you thought of just creating another Reddit account?
ReplyDeleteOK, so where do i begin. First, as my wife would say about picking the babysitter, she's gotta be ugly or at least plain looking. LOL! She even joked in the middle of our marriage that if we ever had a threesome, she would pick the woman and make sure she was ugly and FAT. LOL! Disclaimer: We never considered actually exploring a threesome, we are solid in our marriage and spice up our love life in different ways that still keeps my fire burning.
Secondly, over the years, I have learned how to be a good husband and be mindful of what I say to my wife. I constantly tell her she is beautiful and sexy ad nauseam. My wife has always been the jealous type but I can't blame her. At the beginning of our marriage I wasn't the model husband and still had eyes for pretty women. Never did anything but it did set her up to not trust me for a few years. I've since regained her trist but it took a lot of work. Presently, I'll advert my eyes when a beautiful woman crosses my path. It's out of respect. Do I notice? Yes, but the second glance or ogling is a foul on me. I believe Bubs still needs to be mindful of what he says or answers you, taking into account your insecurities and feelings. It's an art that will take years to perfect but he'll get there. I may be off here but I think his engineer brain sees it as black and white, and without feeling or consideration for any future consequences (we dumb husbands tend to do that early on).
Now, as for the flirting, I think she is friendly and outgoing but I sense a bit of flirting on her behalf. You've often mentioned that your husband is very handsome and athletic which can lend itself to women taking notice. Still, I think Bubs is innocent on this charge as he was, like most men, oblivious to this younger girl trying to get his attention. Be mindful of this girl just to be safe, but I think you overthought the whole interaction. Remember, Bubs has shown you his love so take it at face value.
In hindsight, I am reminded of advice a mentor in church gave me. Don't ask questions you know you might not like the answer to. I think you presenting him with the scene of Evie in her revealing swimsuit was open ended. I think if you would have cued him as to your displeasure at the scene, he might have responded differently. My wife constantly does that with me and I get the hint. Another way to approach him is to gently say that his comments hurt your feelings and made you insecure. Not in the accusatory tone you took with him. Anybody would be defensive if approached with that tone. If I could advise you on this, it would be to give Bubs the benefit of the doubt. Stop picking fights with each other just for the sake of being right.
Now, as a parent of little ones, I'll say, even if it sounds prudish, but I would definitely has a discussion with Evie about her attire. Yes, Bubs is correct that your son has been exposed to much more at the lake or tubing but those situations are beyond your control. Your home is a different story. You can stop it.
In closing, I hope you can take what I said and glean from it. Learn to communicate better and be slow to anger. As I tell my ADHD son often, stop, take a deep breath or break before you act on anything. Let patience be the cornerstone of your marriage. Oh, and angry sex IS sometimes the best but don't make it a habit.
Glad you're back little lady!
Thank you so much for this take! I agree so much and we had a chance to sit down and calmly talk about it when he got home last night (I may post an update today if I get a second) but after he had a chance to think about, his take was almost exactly like yours. That if I had a problem with her swimsuit (and honestly, I don't know if I do or not), I should have said "I don't think what she's wearing is appropriate, you need to back me up when we have a polite discussion with her about our expectations."
DeleteBut aside from his teenage indiscretions, he's never once given me cause for concern that he's checking out other women or cheating on me. Bub's sister is actually having a ongoing battle with her boyfriend right now because he follows a bunch of Instagram models who pose in bikinis and lingerie. He says it's completely innocent and he just likes good looking women, she totally disagrees and its causes a real rift in their relationship. I love her boyfriend and he's so amazing with our kids but I can see her point. Bubs doesn't even have social media so I never have to worry about that kind of stuff with him.
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ReplyDeleteDani, I think you kinda set up Bubs from the start. You had done a deep dive and knew what to expect. When you met her in person it doesn't sound like you were pleased with the way your son reacted to her. Then you watched her from your window and called Bubs up to do the same. That's kinda unfair to Bubs, for you put him in that position so could judge his 1st impression. Also, I don't think it is unusual for women to be jealous of other women.
ReplyDeleteAs to Bubs reaction it sounded like he was simply stating the obvious. The man only has eyes for you but he isn't blind (or dead). If you need prove of that think back to how broken he was when he thought you cheated in Mexico.
As to flirting I am guessing that is the way she is around men in general. It sounded more to me like Bubs was being polite. I have never been pregnant but I imagine that you are a little self conscious of how your body is changing and being around a younger attractive woman is hard. You mentioned her smaller boobs, so I would remind you that you have said that Bubs loves your boobs. You need to cut yourself some slack and give Bubs some grace as well.
I totally agree and your comment is spot on--and it takes me back to something our therapist told me; that there is a real part of me that enjoys being annoyed with him. I don't remember exactly how it came to be--oh yes, I actually do--in one of our very early therapy sessions I made a "joke" about him cheating on me when we were kids. And was insightful enough to change course and ask why I felt it was appropriate to make a comment like that about something that happened 15/16 year ago. We did a deep dive and she said that one of my patterns is that I push his buttons and set him up to get the reaction where I can justify my feelings of irritation with him. Thank you so much for this because I'm going to take this into therapy with us in a couple of weeks.
DeleteAnd yes, I don't know why I'm freaking self conscious about my chest. I actually love my boobs too but I've always felt since they really developed after I quit gymanstics that they don't fit the rest of my body. I'm so short but I have these massive C/D cups that look so out of place, or at least I think they do (and dear god, who knows what's going to happen when the second trimester hits because they are already bigger than they were when I was pregnant the first two times). I think I was definitely projecting a little bit because I'm envious of the girls like Evie who have these perfect B cups that I know are so much less of a hassle. I was definitely projecting my own insecurities on to him.
So many women have so many insecurities about their breasts: the size and shape, the color of the areola, the geography of the nipple. It's never-ending and unfathomable from the perspective of a guy. Sure, we love them, but they're only boobies. They are not your most important attribute! And when given a choice, the choice is really quite easy for most of us: the best boobies are the ones we get to touch.
DeleteYou Dani, if you are that self conscious about your boobs the is reduction surgery that can be done. I suspect though Bubs would spank you butt if you even mentioned that. Hahaha. I will tell you this. My wife is 67 and has had 3 kids...I still love her boobs as much as I did the first time I saw them.
DeleteYou do need to figure out why, and way to stop pushing Bubs buttons. I'm guessing it is a way you all have interacted for all of your life together. But then again maybe he complains but deep down he really likes it and would wonder what is wrong if you stopped.
Lastly. You son is 6 right? I doubt he was turned on by Evie's bikini. I know it is a different world from 30 years ago when my boys were that age but he's still clueless and will be for another 6 years hopefully.
Hi, Dani. I'm a bit late to this party, but I'll share a few thoughts anyway.
ReplyDeleteFirst, I agree that the loss of the back-and-forth discussions from the Reddit days is, well, a loss - it allowed for a more conversational style of exchange, and the DMs allowed people to share thoughts that they didn't necessarily want to share in a more public forum. I don't know how you replicate that with a blog, though. Maybe a private Facebook group, although anyone involved would have to cede some anonymity, and I don't know how people feel about that.
On to Evie. I have no idea whether she was flirting with Bubs or not - sometimes people can come across as flirty without intending to do so, and as a former (VERY former) world-class flirt I don't see much in their exchange that was terribly flirtatious. Friendly, yes, but not in an inappropriate way (and again, this is coming from someone who used to flirt with men (single ones only), women, dogs, cats, plants, pearls - especially pearls! - I still flirt with pearls). But if you perceived the exchange as a little too friendly on her side then watch the next few exchanges to see if that perception persists. I wouldn't worry about Bubs, he's devoted to you and neither of you is a natural born cheater, but if she's being overly friendly toward your husband then that's disrespectful to you and merits a conversation. But do keep an open mind. Again, I don't see anything overtly flirtatious in the exchange, and I'd tell you if I did.
About the bathing suit. Even in the 2020s, even in the age of social media, even in the age where we're (I hope) at least beginning to get beyond body-shaming women of any age for wearing whatever swimsuit they want to wear, "time and place" rules still apply. If Evie chooses to wear a cheeky swimsuit at the beach, or at a party at a friend's house, that's great - more power to her. No one should think a thing of it. But wearing a more risque swimsuit at her employer's home, whether or not she's watching her employer's children? Not a good choice, and not okay. I understand and appreciate her obvious desire to show off a great body that she probably works hard to maintain (or maybe doesn't - at her age it may not be that difficult), but wearing a tiny swimsuit while doing her job is situationally inappropriate unless her job is swimsuit model or maybe (maybe) lifeguard.
So if I were in your place I would have a gentle conversation about the swimsuit and ask her to wear something more discreet when she's at your home. That's not body shaming, that's simply expressing your preference as her employer and the mother of the little boy whose eyes were like saucers when he saw his babysitter in her tiny swimsuit. A woman (a smart woman, anyway) wouldn't wear a sheer blouse without a jacket, or skintight jeans, or a leather miniskirt with fishnets and 4 inch heels to the office, at least not if she wants to be taken seriously (and I've worn all of the above in my day - but never, ever at work, and never, ever at my boss's house. Ever). There are work clothes and there are play clothes, and a tiny swimsuit is play clothes. Telling her so, kindly and without accusation, is not shaming, nor is it being a controlling, jealous shrew. It's just letting the woman who cares for your kids in your home know that you would prefer she wear a less revealing swimsuit while caring for your kids in your home. I'd say that she should already know this, but in the age of social media I think some of the conventional lines around what to wear where get blurred. When it comes to work situations, however, some of those lines are still very much present, and overtly sexy clothing, including sexy swimwear, simply isn't work-appropriate. My old-lady two-cents, but I stand by it. She doesn't need to wear a muumuu, but if your son (and your husband) are noticing too much of her then her suit isn't suitable for the situation.
I'm so happy to see you again! I hope the travels are going well!
DeleteSo I know you saw my other post and I think I can safely say that she wasn't flirting with him.
But I so agree with you about everything you said regarding her swimsuit. Because of how I was raised, always so buttoned up when we were in public, I defer to women should be allowed to wear whatever they want, just about whenever they want and I try not to judge. But you are also so right that if she needed to grab one of the kids out of the pool and they grabbed her swimsuit, that thing was coming off! I think that's a really good way to approach the conversation next time.
After talking with her and putting it together that she's a dancer and yoga instructor (which were both on her resume), I would be that she just saw that as her swimsuit and it's made for swimming regardless of how much of her butt was showing. But for sure, time and place--and like you said, that's not criticizing her at all.
"Maybe a private Facebook group, although anyone involved would have to cede some anonymity, and I don't know how people feel about that."
DeleteI wouldn't object to giving up my anonynimity reciprocally but I think it is Dani and Bubs who have the problem with that
Dani, this was such an enjoyable read; funny and unhinged! You're an entertaining storyteller, and your monologue of your own thoughts could be the script for a sitcom. You're like a real-life Lucille Ball, turning everyday situations into comic adventures.
ReplyDeleteThe circular conversation in the car, on the other hand ... oh, this kind of argument drives me crazy. This style of bickering is not really an attempt at conflict resolution. It almost feels like the goal of this type of exchange is to escalate an irritation into a full-on fight. It's good that you don't keep your feelings bottled up and let problems fester, but try to show good faith in keeping your discussions productive.
Well well well Danni! Some part of me hopes you really exagerated this, but if you don't then I really wish for you to just calm down. (The Comedy was obviously there. It's hard to know if you are just tesing hm or if you are actually angry.) His comments were absolutely harmless. I could have done them myself. He was just being honest. But, If you wrote this on reddit they would all demands that you divorce him? You reaaly seem to have a genuinly loving relatioship. Please do not wreck it.
ReplyDeleteSometimes I think your husband does stupid things, even back during the reddit days but this time he is totally innocent. As someone wo alo processes life by writing. Keep it up. It keeps the soul in balance. And I really like your checky but also slightly elegant sence of humor.
Keept this separate.
ReplyDeleteMen have their ways of being assholes and creeps and women have theirs. Being over emotional can be quite exhausting to the partner in the lon run. And women are much more neurotic. (another example of a fact people have always known but we now also have science to prove. Taking care of children and being neurotic probably mix pretty well) But relaxing is also important and you guys really need it. Ever tried being bored. It's actually quite healthy.
Another thing is what you write about your "sapphic attaction". This seems much more common among women and I have never found any obvious explanation for it. Bisexuality (not saying you are) overall is much more common among women and clinical studies have shown that female sexuality overall is much more "flexible" than male. Sory for ranting. These things intrigue me."
When it comes to the swimsuit I must take on the role of the more conservative here. Sexuality is a fact, it exists and it exists for a purpose and that purpose is strong and important. You can say that women or anyone should have the right to dress however they want and that bodyshaming is always wrong. But we can't have everything. In most social and political dilemmas there are no solutions, only trade-offs. I also think women have the right not to be overly sexualised all the time and be judged for their non physical qualities. This requires that you accept that sexuality makes things difficult and certain bodyparts need to be covered in public. At the end of the day I think most women gain from culture becoming a bit less sexualized even though many individual women might lament it.
ReplyDeleteWas in Napoli in Italy this summer and the thong bikini girls were all over the beaches. As a family man I wished they would go somewhere else, so everyone (not just them) could take photos. Especially since they hardly ever swim or bathe. ( I hope I haven't offended any fellow teacher by saying this.)
Hi Dani, I'm posting late on this one, so I don't know if you'll see it or not. My wife just shared her theory of what really happened here, and I think she's got some good points. According to my wife, you aren't the real gangsta -- Evie is.
ReplyDeleteBefore you ever met, while you were stalking her Instagram, she was probably doing the same to yours. I don't know how much content you have on Instagram, but I would guess that there's a greater than zero chance it includes pics of Bubs and your brother Brian. In her first conversation with both you and Bubs, you report that Evie confesses that "her friend" had previously searched for Brian on social media. (Her friend who conveniently just vanishes from her story when you bring her up at your next meeting. Are we sure that this friend even exists?) Anyway, she had probably already discovered there was some connection between you and Brian. Our suspicion is that when Evie showed up at your house with that teeny weenie bikini, she was already hoping to score a first date.
Hey so not even sure how I saw this...it's definitely a good theory because she certainly knew who my brother and husband were. The only problem is I don't have any public social media! Unless there was a way to google my past instagram or tiktok accounts, then she couldn't have seen much about me. And my brother despises social media so he avoids getting his pics taken any time he thought me or my sisters would have posted him. I actually think this may have been a real live meet-cute! It's Saturday and they have the kids again today--so it's still moving along.
DeleteHello Danielle,
ReplyDeleteI've been following your story since Bubs' posts, back when you hadn't even returned from Mexico yet.
I just discovered your blog today! All this time, I thought you had deleted your Reddit account because of that "Reddit Creeper" who was stalking you!
What a great surprise it was to find your blog! I've only just finished reading this post, and I still have a lot to catch up on! Haha.
"I just read this back over and while I'm trying to be truthful, I really come across like a bitch here--and I'm the one telling the story! Maybe I really am that way, maybe I am exhausting, unpredictable, and overly emotional."
Oh wow! Yeah, I think you're right. And here I was (44 years old), thinking my wife (40 years old) could be dramatic sometimes! Haha.
Don't take it the wrong way. You really are a handful for your husband, but that's clearly part of who you are, and he surely loves you just the way you are—fully and completely. One thing's for sure: without you, his life would be a lot more boring, and he probably wouldn’t want it any other way!
Well, time to move on to the next post! See you soon!